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Post by Steamed Hams on Jun 26, 2017 9:35:12 GMT
This I thought could be good as the couch gags thread kinda reminded me of this, so I was wondering what you guys thought to the new intro as opposed to the old one? Me personally, I do prefer the old one to be honest. The new one I don't mind but they did change it a little bit much for my liking but I get it how they need to evolve etc.. I know obviously the animation quality will be better but even though it still seems to flow together I still prefer the earlier intro's to be honest. I'm also not keen on the long couch gags really, I like the creativity they have with them a lot but when they are long I'm not so keen on it. If they kept the creativity with shorter couch gags it would be perfect for me. What are your thoughts?
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Post by Financial Panther on Jun 26, 2017 11:48:47 GMT
It has a little too much going on in it for me. I liked the simpler intro. I touched on the couch gags, but I also dislike most of the new chalkboard gags because they aren't things that Bart would do to get in trouble and have to write on the chalkboard. Compare "I will not call my teacher 'hot cakes'" and "I will not skateboard in the halls" to "If we're so good at predicting, how come my dad bet on Atlanta?" and "Thanks for 20 great years...Taylor Swift."
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Post by Steamed Hams on Jun 26, 2017 12:44:42 GMT
Yeah I agree, I'm kinda confused as to why Homer is on the picture next to the chalkboard too, unless I'm missing something?
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Post by spankologicalprofile on Jun 26, 2017 14:39:04 GMT
I like both but the old one was easier to view overall, whereas the new one is comedic but it feels crowded. Also I don't understand why the creators felt the need to, in the band room with Lisa segment, switch Sherri and Terri to playing Nintendo DS games instead of playing instruments. It just never really seemed necessary to me. I like the reoccurring billboard in the town, it's short and subtle but funny, but the couch gags do feel longer and when you want to watch the show itself, the longer intro kind of gets in the way and I've sometimes just found myself skipping through it to the actual show and then just watching the couch gag afterwards.
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Post by Steamed Hams on Jun 26, 2017 17:37:30 GMT
I like both but the old one was easier to view overall, whereas the new one is comedic but it feels crowded. Also I don't understand why the creators felt the need to, in the band room with Lisa segment, switch Sherri and Terri to playing Nintendo DS games instead of playing instruments. It just never really seemed necessary to me. I like the reoccurring billboard in the town, it's short and subtle but funny, but the couch gags do feel longer and when you want to watch the show itself, the longer intro kind of gets in the way and I've sometimes just found myself skipping through it to the actual show and then just watching the couch gag afterwards. My guess with the Sherri & Terri thing is to keep it more modern and up to date or something. Yeah, I think the couch gags seems like quite a general consensus really with most fans. Maybe it's just me but I kinda get a little impatient with them sometimes that I just want them to finish, but that could be on me though just not having patience, I dunno. This is what I mean about how I say I am kinda torn with them cause I have to say that these couch gags they do that are longer they are VERY creative and they are also definitely really thought about and a lot of effort put in, which I appreciate from the show but at the same time, I am a little impatient with them. I also agree about them being crowded, I think that's pretty much what I was trying to say in the OP but couldn't really put my finger on what it was for me but it's definitely that. I also notice how they've brought more of the supporting characters into the intro, as much as I love them (most of my favourites are supporting cast) I think they're best left out of the intro. Like Carl & Lenny for example, Otto and Barney, I don't think they're needed and same with Gerald, I just think it's a bit pointless and probably what makes it feel more crowded. I sound really critical but I'm not. I do love the intro regardless but there's no doubt I absolutely prefer the original though. It seemed to just do everything perfectly where as the new one it is a bit crowded. Other than that it's fine cause at least they haven't changed it too much to a completely different intro or anything, it still pretty much matches up I'm not so keen on shows that do completely different intro's time after time so at least The Simpsons have kept true to that while modernism it at the same time. I would have preferred the original intro just done in HD though if really honest
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Post by spankologicalprofile on Jun 27, 2017 0:44:01 GMT
I like both but the old one was easier to view overall, whereas the new one is comedic but it feels crowded. Also I don't understand why the creators felt the need to, in the band room with Lisa segment, switch Sherri and Terri to playing Nintendo DS games instead of playing instruments. It just never really seemed necessary to me. I like the reoccurring billboard in the town, it's short and subtle but funny, but the couch gags do feel longer and when you want to watch the show itself, the longer intro kind of gets in the way and I've sometimes just found myself skipping through it to the actual show and then just watching the couch gag afterwards. My guess with the Sherri & Terri thing is to keep it more modern and up to date or something. Yeah, I think the couch gags seems like quite a general consensus really with most fans. Maybe it's just me but I kinda get a little impatient with them sometimes that I just want them to finish, but that could be on me though just not having patience, I dunno. This is what I mean about how I say I am kinda torn with them cause I have to say that these couch gags they do that are longer they are VERY creative and they are also definitely really thought about and a lot of effort put in, which I appreciate from the show but at the same time, I am a little impatient with them. I also agree about them being crowded, I think that's pretty much what I was trying to say in the OP but couldn't really put my finger on what it was for me but it's definitely that. I also notice how they've brought more of the supporting characters into the intro, as much as I love them (most of my favourites are supporting cast) I think they're best left out of the intro. Like Carl & Lenny for example, Otto and Barney, I don't think they're needed and same with Gerald, I just think it's a bit pointless and probably what makes it feel more crowded. I sound really critical but I'm not. I do love the intro regardless but there's no doubt I absolutely prefer the original though. It seemed to just do everything perfectly where as the new one it is a bit crowded. Other than that it's fine cause at least they haven't changed it too much to a completely different intro or anything, it still pretty much matches up I'm not so keen on shows that do completely different intro's time after time so at least The Simpsons have kept true to that while modernism it at the same time. I would have preferred the original intro just done in HD though if really honest I think it'd be great if, when they reach the show's final season, they somehow found a way to combine the modern HD digital look of the newer intro with the classic quality of the original intro. It would capture how much the show has progressed from one century into another, and also reflect the things that made fans fall in love with The Simpsons in the first place.
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Post by Steamed Hams on Jun 27, 2017 12:08:54 GMT
Yeah, it'll be really interesting to see what they do also. I wonder what season they'll go up to.
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Post by spankologicalprofile on Jun 28, 2017 0:19:39 GMT
Yeah, it'll be really interesting to see what they do also. I wonder what season they'll go up to. The general consensus is that it will either go to a 30th Season and then cut off, or that it will keep going so long as there are animators willing to work on it. The biggest problem it faces is that many fans of more crass and deliberately offensive cartoons (Family Guy, South Park, Rick & Morty) view The Simpsons as dated, childish and no longer relevant. However I think that The Simpsons was groundbreaking in its earlier seasons, paved the way for other satirical cartoons to hit mainstream television, and its way of generally avoiding extremely offensive content lets it stay funny in a witty way without being too crude. It also got a backlash from its changing animation style and its changing characters. For example, the Simpson Family themselves have changed, or evolved I guess, and some fans welcomed this change, others didn't. Lisa was once a shy and thoughtful nerd who was a voice of reason and an intelligent outsider in her wacky family. Now she's extremely liberal and everything she says seems to have a strong environmental or political undertone, which bothered a lot of fans. She also became more hypocritical and selfish, such as in "The Great Phatsby" when, after her rich snob boyfriend changes his ways to be more environmental, she dumps him right away for another guy just because this other guy has tickets to a pony farm. Homer got angrier, ruder and showed more of a disregard for Marge altogether. Marge herself has become a reflection of every modern parenting trend that comes about, and she has become more overprotective of her children over the years. Bart used to be a mischievous prankster but he still had a heart, whereas now there are times where he acts almost like a psychopath. I guess Maggie for the most part hasn't changed much, except that her character now seems to have more of a conscience than before. I personally am sort of impartial to the changes in the characters; I guess sometimes I find it annoying but at the same time, for the most part I haven't noticed any huge inconsistencies in the way that the characters act. Some of the secondary characters display some really noticeable changes: - Mr Burns used to be a really corrupt businessman but now he seems to be turning more into a cold yet slightly senile old man who really doesn't have as much power as he used to. I don't mind that the character has more of a heart than he initially did though, because I think it gives him more complexity. - Chief Wiggum in earlier seasons was somewhat clueless and naive but still competent, and now he seems to be as unintelligent as Ralph is. - Smithers' sexuality as a gay man was always hinted at, but now he's become such a stereotype that sometimes he can be difficult to take seriously. In the past couple of seasons though, I think that the creators have been trying to establish his feelings towards Burns as more than just a running joke, especially in "The Burns Cage". - Ned Flanders has come off as slightly more accepting of others' "sinful" actions and has seemed to realize that although other characters might have different views than his own, it doesn't necessarily make them bad people. - Nelson Muntz is a lot more than just a schoolyard bully now; whereas before he seemed to only serve the purpose of being a jerk, now he has his own storyline about his estranged father and his on-off relationship with Lisa. - Milhouse has become slightly more childish. - Crazy Cat Lady (or Eleanor Abernathy) now has times of lucidity and reason, and has been given her own past. - Arnie Pye has gotten slightly more angry and petty in his dislike for Kent, but not in an extremely noticeable way. - Judge Snyder disappeared completely and was replaced with Judge Harm, but now both characters appear throughout recent seasons. Neither of them have really changed but some fans did not like Judge Harm's cruelty or the Judge Judy reference. - Abe Simpson has gotten somewhat more senile at times. - Blue-Haired Lawyer was ruthless at times but a good lawyer who seemed to actually really care about justice and the law and never did anything outright against the law himself; now he's a stereotypical corrupt lawyer who even is implied loosely in one episode to have accepted a bribe from Snake. - Comic Book Guy now has a name and is married, and appears more in scenes outside the store. - Apu cheating on his wife seemed to confuse many of the show's fans, but personally I think it showed that he has flaws just like every human being, but was still a good man who just made a bad choice, and he was willing to put in the effort to repairing his relationship with his wife and children. - I kinda like the way Barney Gumble has changed; instead of just being a stereotypical alcoholic, he's shown to have a multitude of hidden talents over the years. It would take too long to keep listing them all, but I guess many of the characters have changed for better or for worse, and some fans enjoy this, others don't. I think it depends a lot on the character and how far they actually drift from their original self.
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Post by Financial Panther on Jun 28, 2017 0:30:20 GMT
I don't like the character changes for the most part. For example, Nelson has made himself more of a well-rounded character than the other bullies because of the history with his father, but it has also led to him becoming a lot more of an emotionally distubed boy. And I don't think Flanders has become more accepting of others' actions; in fact, he seems to have become less accepting of them. He transformed from a nice and religious man to an intolerant bible-thumbing fundamentalist. Maybe they've toned that down a little in the most recent seasons, though.
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Post by spankologicalprofile on Jun 28, 2017 3:04:21 GMT
I don't like the character changes for the most part. For example, Nelson has made himself more of a well-rounded character than the other bullies because of the history with his father, but it has also led to him becoming a lot more of an emotionally distubed boy. And I don't think Flanders has become more accepting of others' actions; in fact, he seems to have become less accepting of them. He transformed from a nice and religious man to an intolerant bible-thumbing fundamentalist. Maybe they've toned that down a little in the most recent seasons, though. I sort of noticed that too with Flanders around Season 20; he started becoming very closed-off from other opinions and instead of simply raising Rod and Tod Christian, he began restricting and limiting them from just about everything. In recent seasons though, especially after his marriage to Edna, he seemed to get less extreme. Maybe his odd change of character was supposed to coincide with Maude's death or something. I find it a little odd the way Nelson changed. It was a good idea to give him more complexity but it seems like he has deep oversensitive emotions at the weirdest times with no real explanation as to why, and just when it seems like he's established a deep rapport with Bart or Lisa, a few seconds later he's calling them names or giving Bart another wedgie. At times it just doesn't make sense.
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Post by Steamed Hams on Jun 28, 2017 12:37:45 GMT
Yeah the character changes can be touch and go for people I think. I do wish the DVD's of the later seasons were available as it would be easier for me to watch them altogether again then, I prefer to be able to just put the DVD and let them play through rather than catching them on TV when they can be a little fragmented and I can only see them when they're on, that's why I get to watch up to season 17 easily cause I have all the DVD's and put them on all the time, after that it's kinda hard cause I don't have Sky with that recording option so some of these things I want to watch back on, I can't.
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Post by spankologicalprofile on Jun 28, 2017 22:04:53 GMT
Yeah the character changes can be touch and go for people I think. I do wish the DVD's of the later seasons were available as it would be easier for me to watch them altogether again then, I prefer to be able to just put the DVD and let them play through rather than catching them on TV when they can be a little fragmented and I can only see them when they're on, that's why I get to watch up to season 17 easily cause I have all the DVD's and put them on all the time, after that it's kinda hard cause I don't have Sky with that recording option so some of these things I want to watch back on, I can't. Yeah, I miss the DVDs. To watch them here in Canada usually involves either paying a fortune to get American TV channels, or waiting for them to air on the Comedy Network, which often splits them up in an odd way and only airs them about twice a week at night. There's Netflix, but where I'm still using a CRT television, online streaming hasn't gone well with it. Most of my friends download it illegally from torrent websites but as convenient as that might be, it takes money away from the animators creating the show in the first place, so I don't really do that, either. I always liked collecting the boxed DVDs, anyway.
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Post by Steamed Hams on Jun 29, 2017 13:38:38 GMT
Yeah the character changes can be touch and go for people I think. I do wish the DVD's of the later seasons were available as it would be easier for me to watch them altogether again then, I prefer to be able to just put the DVD and let them play through rather than catching them on TV when they can be a little fragmented and I can only see them when they're on, that's why I get to watch up to season 17 easily cause I have all the DVD's and put them on all the time, after that it's kinda hard cause I don't have Sky with that recording option so some of these things I want to watch back on, I can't. Yeah, I miss the DVDs. To watch them here in Canada usually involves either paying a fortune to get American TV channels, or waiting for them to air on the Comedy Network, which often splits them up in an odd way and only airs them about twice a week at night. There's Netflix, but where I'm still using a CRT television, online streaming hasn't gone well with it. Most of my friends download it illegally from torrent websites but as convenient as that might be, it takes money away from the animators creating the show in the first place, so I don't really do that, either. I always liked collecting the boxed DVDs, anyway. Yeah that's what it's like here, so it's hard to keep up with the seasons that aren't released on DVD that's why I'm more familiar with the one's that are released on DVD as I've watched them so many times, which I would do with the later seasons too but I just can't. They do have that service where people can watch The Simpsons in the US, I forget what it's called but you can't watch it if you're outside of the US.
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Post by Financial Panther on Jun 29, 2017 17:01:42 GMT
Simpsons World. It's pretty great. I feel terrible for Simpsons fans outside the U.S. who don't have a reliable way to watch episodes past season 17.
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Post by Steamed Hams on Jun 29, 2017 17:10:51 GMT
That's it, Simpsons World yeah. Nah I know, we can't really keep up with it really, they will show them on Sky but you have to watch them at the time or if you don't have Sky you don't get to see them at all. Of course if you have the planner to record there is that too but it's not the same and not everyone has that either, it's not good really this lack of DVD's that they have done, it's caused more hassle than anything since Fox stopped doing it which is strange cause it's not like they weren't selling cause they were.
I think Fox did say something like DVD sales are dying out but I think that's rubbish to be honest, they might have gone through a dry patch but they are and will pick up again and they are still selling anyway as other DVD's get released so that pretty much says it all. I think it's just an excuse really but hopefully they'll get back on it at some point or at least release a big box set when the seasons have finished. I just hope if they do that that they don't make some weird kinda of packaging with it cause I do like my DVD's to be able to sit on the shelf nicely so you can just put them on when you want as opposed to some weird shaped box that doesn't really fit on a shelf and holds the DVD's in some plastic cases or something lol
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